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N. Cook
02-08-2008, 03:42 PM
This could be very long, as Steve will attest, but I will try to condense the info.

There were a lot of items regarding waterfowling on the agenda, mostly in the rule changes. We had put in for expanding migratory bird seasons in a number of WMAs to include the full migratory season schedule. We were successful in several. We spoke in support of there rule changes and the need to continue to expand the program.

See next year's WMA pamphlets for confirmation. One we did get was Mariana Jones/Hungryland....one we did not was Allaphata Flats!

The Big Bend WMA, Hickory Mound Unit will no longer require a daily waterfowl hunting permit.

The canada goose season was extended statewide (not Federal Refuges) as per our request. We spoke on the issue and thanked the Commission for their positive vote.

Motors will be allowed during the Youth Waterfowl days on Lake Iamonia and Carr.

Horsepower was raised to 10 on Lake Miccosukee.

We spoke thanking the staff for the improvement, but expressing strong disagreement about the ban of motors on Iamonia.....and promised a blizzard of mail and emails and public exposure of the politics behind the ban when we resubmitted the rule change request.

Diane Eggeman presented the FWC WATERFOWL MANAGEMENT STRATEGIC PLAN update. We spoke in support of the content of the plan.

In brief: 1. Conservation and enhancement of resident waterfowl populations and habitats. (the new "invasion" of fulvous included)
2. Leadership in the conservation and enhancement of continental waterfowl populations and habitats.
3. Recreation use and public support

REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF THE FWC QUOTA HUNT PROGRAM....The waterfowl part of this is routine as is at TMG, the STAs and the few other places with quotas on duck hunting. We spoke in appreciation and support of the general "open to duck hunting" conditions across the state for public lands .

The part of this package that covered deer/turkey was controversial as several spoke on the "transferability" issue. The package calls for "no transferability" for the first phase draw....this should reduce the "gaming" of the system. There is a general move to accept the non-transfer, but those in opposition are very vocal and use the "loss of hunting opportunity" arguement when they cannot "give away" or trade extra permits.

I presented a couple of facts that demonstrate how unfair the current system is and how a few people are dominating the best permits.

There are about 60,000 quota slots available (deer)

56 people got 20 or more permits....total: 1824
298 people got 10 or more.............total: 4866

So....about 350 people from a hunting population of 150,000 licenses sold and about 60,000 WMA permits sold got over 10% of all available deer permits....!

Another figure....4000 households (multiple names, same address) got 10 permits or more...OVER 40,000 of the 60,000 AVAILBLE quotas. The above 254 people are in this calculation.

The current program is obviousiy cutting out a lot of hunters.

As a member of the Committee spoke in support of the Committee's Draft Plan.

An important part of this (and I addressed it during Public Comments) is the move to eliminate hog quota hunts where possible and place hog hunting within the Small Game Seasons on the WMAs. Several WMAs will have this opportunity for SPONTAINOUS big game hunting next season.....The next step is to reduce the trapping of hogs on public land and let hunting do the job.....More hunting opportunity on public land without all the red tape of quotas.

I also spoke in support of the FWC Stakeholder Deer Management Plan, as a member of that Committee. This is a Draft only and much work will need to be done over the next year. Next meeting is Feb. 15th in Gainesville.

Chuck Collins, FWC Director for South Florida, gave a presentation on the Everglades Restoration in the 16 county program starting at Shingle Creek in Orlando. I spoke in support of his suggestion the FWC become more involved as the CERP and DECOMP plans drastically effected wildlife. I mentioned the possible destruction of the number one bass fishery in Florida, the L 67 Canal and the drowning of fur bearers by high water in the WCAs and often cancelation of hunting....

I believe that gives a brief idea of what occurred...Steve chime in if you have more....And again...it was nice to have a local person to help. I might add Bryon Maharrey, also a UW-F member, spoke several times in our behalf.

BlindHog
02-08-2008, 03:51 PM
Thanks to you and to Stephen/Swilli1054 for being there.

A long circuitous route to success on some key votes.

Chalk one up for UWF and the other good guys.

swilli1054
02-08-2008, 04:44 PM
You hit the nail on the head Newton. I would suggest that everyone should attend at least one meeting. I was very impressed at how the commissioners really care. However if we don't show up...we can lose. On more than one ocassion I heard a Board member question if the staff proposal was indeed a good idea. There are a lot of hard working, underpaid, employees that do us a great service. I will definetly try to make all the meetings that I can.

swilli1054
02-08-2008, 04:50 PM
Oh yeah....Possible changes for the people that build blinds on public water. If should want to hear more...go to the members forum. If you can't get there because you aren't a member.

BECOME ONE....pony up the $25.00:occasion14

Kevin Hall
02-08-2008, 11:53 PM
... I would suggest that everyone should attend at least one meeting. I was very impressed at how the commissioners really care. However if we don't show up...we can lose. On more than one ocassion I heard a Board member question if the staff proposal was indeed a good idea.

I have seen the commissioners flat out vote against a "staff proposal" when they were presented with the actual facts! The one instance that sticks in my mind is part of the manatee "havens" that FWC was supposed to evaluate as part of the settlement of the SMC lawsuit. FWC staff was trying to pass of obervation numbers (sightings) of manatees for a small area, where they wanted to make a "no boating" zone ... the actual numbers were correct in count ... although they were collected from a 3 1/2 mile length of spring run!

Anyway, we got that one shot down. :D :D :D

whistlingwings
02-09-2008, 09:27 AM
I presented a couple of facts that demonstrate how unfair the current system is and how a few people are dominating the best permits.

There are about 60,000 quota slots available (deer)

56 people got 20 or more permits....total: 1824
298 people got 10 or more.............total: 4866

So....about 350 people from a hunting population of 150,000 licenses sold and about 60,000 WMA permits sold got over 10% of all available deer permits

And what proof do you have these are the true numbers representing the issuance of permits, let's see where you got this info from.

N. Cook
02-09-2008, 09:49 AM
There are FWC staff members who manage the program....they have exact info, including the names of every quota permit issued and where it is mailed. The names and addresses are not available to the Committee as that is considered private information. The numbers are.

The recommendations the Committee has made complicate and add work load to these staffers, but they have watched the current system be abused to the point of their now being willing to take on the extra duties to insure a fair distribution of opportunities.

whistlingwings
02-09-2008, 10:32 AM
Show us the proof.

David B
02-09-2008, 04:34 PM
Show us the proof.


Winston,
You know enough people at FWC to have a contact for information. If not, Nick Wiley's office has the number in Tally. I would suggest that you email or call them and ask for any information they have. I am sure the minutes of the comm. meeting willbe available as well sometime in a week or two. If you cannot find out the numbers. I will get you a phone number and /or address for such.

David Blood

Keith Yates
02-09-2008, 05:18 PM
Years ago when the quota process was a more manual/tedious process details/data of who got what were tough to gather/compile and there was much uncertainty. Now with the FWC finally catching up to the computer age this eye opening data is easily obtained and validated. Now we see the vast extent of the gaming that occurs with this current system but not sure of it's impact to FL hunters satisfaction. I believe we are finally heading in the direction of the best interest to a more fair process of obtaining permits for all Florida hunters. Only time will tell on how well it will work if it gets the Commissioners approval. Newton and Stephen THANKS for being there for us:icon_thumr

whistlingwings
02-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Lets not argue the whole Quota deal...
Just want to see where these numbers are coming from.

N. Cook
02-09-2008, 08:12 PM
With the potential of "non transfers" there is a lot of support for adding a second person to the quota permits...ie "buddy"....to make the hunts more family friendly...The question of bag limits seems to be reasonable....share if the limit is two and the FWC will review any WMDs with a limit of one to see if it can be raised....if not, just use the current "close proximity" rules.

There also seems to be no need to reduce the number of quotas available on any WMA as the current "no show" would adjust the total number of hunters on a WMA to about the total allowed....There also is a mood to not to worry about a reasonable increase in people on a WMA using the "buddy" system.

The staff says that once a permit is given, a system could be devised so the permit holder could declare a "buddy" as late as a few days before the hunt by going to a license agent and adding them to the permit number. We are looking for anyway to make the hunts more flexible and more available to a wider range of participants.

The positive comments of the FWC folks is encouraging as the committee seeks to expand opportunity for all who want to hunt on public land covered by quotas.

Keith Yates
02-09-2008, 10:13 PM
Not arguing at all. I attended one of the quota work shops and those are the numbers presented by FWC Quota Hunt Mangement. Not the Committee.