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neckringer
12-10-2003, 03:53 PM
Duck Hunting OK'd

Commissioners adopt a hunting season for Circle B Bar Reserve after a litany of locals' objections.

By Tom Palmer
The Ledger
tom.palmer@theledger.com

BARTOW -- Duck blinds and gunfire will become part of the sight and sounds at the marsh at Circle B Bar Reserve that is frequented by local bird-watchers.

County commissioners voted unanimously Wednesday to allow duck hunting this winter in a portion of the reserve, a 1,267-acre site on Lake Hancock purchased in late 2000 under the county's Environmental Lands Program and opened to the public in February.

Commissioner Neil Combee said a limited duck season was a fair way to share the property.

"Ninety-three percent of the time there will be no hunting there," he said.

The vote was a defeat for local environmentalists, who warned commissioners that hunting would drive away other visitors and stunt Circle B's potential to become a premier nature-based attraction to boost local tourism revenue.

Commissioners told county staffers to report back next spring on any problems or user-conflicts that arise.

Marian Ryan, one of the leaders of the effort to defeat hunting at Circle B, was angered by the commission's action.

"It proves once again we are a backwater where the process means nothing and a selected few have the commission's ear," she said.

During Wednesday's nearly three-hour discussion, six of the seven residents who spoke on the proposal opposed it.

The requests for duck hunting emerged in recent months in a handful of e-mails to commissioners from local businessmen such as Wogan Badcock III, nearly a year after the county scheduled a series of public meetings to get citizen comments on future uses for the property.

The public meetings are part of the process used to prepare management plans for the county's environmental sites.

Hunting was discussed at those meetings and unanimously rejected.

The Conservation Land Acquisition Selection Advisory Committee, which makes recommendations to commissioners on environmental lands issues, recommended against duck hunting, suggesting instead the county work with hunting groups to improve access to duck hunting on Lake Hancock.

Ryan, a local Sierra Club activist, said she thinks a decision to allow hunting will cause increasing user conflicts as plans progress to develop more trails and wildlife-viewing areas at Circle B.

A staff presentation showed the main trail runs a safe distance from the hunting area, but bird-watchers testified they frequently hike and observe birds from areas much closer.

Ken Morrision, a longtime local environmental leader from Babson Park, said the presence of hunting will deter other outdoor enthusiasts, regardless of assurances they may receive that the danger is minimal.

"You may as well put a sign that says it's closed to the public," he said.

Purchase and management of the environmental lands sites are financed from the proceeds of a property tax of 20 cents per $1,000 of taxable value. Voters approved the tax in a 1994 referendum.

Veteran local bird-watcher Chuck Geanangel said Circle B has the potential to attract bird-watchers and other wildlife enthusiasts from all over the country. Geanangel said hunting will drive away wildlife, which was what happened in duck-hunting areas on mined land he visited.

"The birds got up and left," Geanangel said.

But Jeff McGrady, regional wildlife biologist for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, disputed Geanangel's assertion.

"The birds leave (when hunting is under way), but return quickly," he said, citing the number of active bald eagle nests around Lake Kissimmee, a popular area for duck hunting.

Tom Palmer can be reached at tom.palmer@theledger.com or 863-802-7535.

BlindHog
12-10-2003, 05:25 PM
Sent the following email to the author of the above Lake Hancock article just now:

Just to balance out at least one of those opposed to hunting on Lake Hancock, I am a potential duck-hunting tourist who is glad to hear of additional hunting opportunities. All too often, the norm today is decreasing access to public land for hunters.

Regarding the notion that "hunting will cause wildlife to leave" I offer this account:

I frequently hunt at PCS Phosphate Mine near White Springs Fl, which is a private/public partnership operated (during duck season only) as a Wildlife Management Area. This operating mine offers hundreds of acres of shallow, nutrient-rich water and food, attracting a wide diversity of waterfowl species.

Each winter, ducks, ibis, gulls, terns, cormorants, and egrets come there by the thousands -- despite the "inconvenience" posed by 100 or so hunters for about 10 Saturdays and 10 Wednesdays (5% of the year). As soon as the season ends, they continue their wintering on site or move on southward, then stop back through in the spring migration.

And so the cycle continues each year, with the property serving the needs of both ducks and humans. What could be better than that? From my first-hand assessment of its impact, it would appear that duck hunting disturbs misguided environmental "activists" more than it does the ducks themselves.

Chester P Colet
12-11-2003, 06:34 AM
I love post like this! Neckringer, too bad before you posted this all over the internet you didn't check it out! So before everone jumps in thier truck and heads for Hancock know this. It's only Wendsday and Saturday and you have to exit the marsh at 11:00. It takes about 20 minutes to walk to the marsh from the gate. The marsh is 1300 acres when it has water. It is about 700 now that its dry. You need a signed permit that you got to get in Bartow. And heres the kicker. Thanks to Cpt. Jeff posting the same news release last Wendsday (a work day) there where over 50 yes 50 hunters (and few ducks) hunting 700 acres.

So before Neckringer gets you a ticket or your hunting privileges revoked for trespass; for being on a preserve with out a special use permit. All for a sh!tty hunt! Check it out first.

Neckringer; now I think you should go over to SDH, The Refuge and all the other places you posted this and either let people know the the facts or delete the posts.

neckringer
12-11-2003, 08:10 AM
Hmmmmm.

For what reason Mr. Chet has chose to jump me on this im not sure of.

let me follow up with a few facts.

1) I posted this because it was another victory for duck hunters.
2) Its important to see that sierra opposed duck hunting there.
3) It is interesting to see some of the comments that were made by non hunters about the impact that duck hunting would have.

4) It is very nice that once again the Game Commission had are back and was a key player in getting this open.

5)This website is for duck hunters. We (duck hunters) have another place to scout and or hunt.

6) Victorys like this will help getting other places open in the future.

7) and most important. I dont care who posts what...
always, always find out the rules and regulations before scouting or hunting a new area.:rolleyes:

8) if you already tried to hunt this place and had a bad hunt due to being over croweded or lack of birds. That is your own fault.

backcast
12-11-2003, 09:58 AM
The area is beautiful. It is impossible to discourage hunters to go to the area for several reasons. Its proximity to the city of Tampa and its surrounding areas alone will draw hunters. Also, shallow areas with food sources=waterfowl. However, public area+waterfowl= lots of hunters. The water levels have dropped leaving scattered potholes throughout the marsh. As with any place, you need to scout. Not only to find birds, but to figure out how you are going to get there. As with anywhere, especially management areas, there will be "shooters" as well as "hunters." And of course, skybusting from the levee around the perimeter prevents the birds from working the potholes. We all know there is nothing we can do about this. We can moan all we want about this problem, but these shooters will always be around. All I can do is to encourage people not only in this area, but all areas similar, to set up in the marshes and not cut off the birds, preventing them from making their natural flights into the marshes.
This place is no secret. I have learned about it from the newspapers several times not to mention the normal duck hunting buzz in the pre-season & of course the internet.
I personally have hunted this area and at 4:45, I was the last truck that could fit into the parking area. You not supposed to enter the area until 11/2 hours before sunrise (I think, don't have the regs in front of me) however, I know that people were in that marsh at 3-3:30. So just know what you're getting into before you go. We all know that these areas are not going to be peaceful, tranquil spots. They can be packed, cut-throat, full of poor calling & sky-busting, but they can be hot. More the reason to get out there and find that secret little honey hole that makes the whole trip just that much more successful.
Good luck

Rey

Chester P Colet
12-11-2003, 11:44 AM
HMMMMM

Mr. Ringer

It saddens my to no extent to see people incompletely; just through out a spot on the internet.

1. Like it or not, hunters will read it, look on the map and show up at dark.

2. This area is being hunted on a trail biases and will be revisited by the commision in the summer. It is like Backcast has said. The rules set up are not being followed. This may be the first and last year you can hunt it.

3. Putting out uninforming information and added pressure on this area will only hasten the closier of another duck hunting spot.

4. Helping in the over-running of areas will only give ammunition for anti-duck hunters to use now and in the future. This will result in even more defeats for hunters in the future.


This marsh is out of control! People from the Audubon are keeping tabs on the goings on out there. ie. People entering early,leaving trash, shooting early ect.

It is nice of others to share spots with good duck hunters. The problem is for ever good gets a bad.

P.S. Mr. Ringer, post some of your spots on the net and see what happens to them. Better yet post some of your friends spots and see what happens to them.

backcast
12-11-2003, 12:40 PM
I just got a report from the marsh yesterday. My buddy got pulled up there at 5:00. Prepared to enter the marsh at the legal time. There were already cars parked out on the road. As he walked out there, several hunters were on their way out due to the crowd. He waited it through and was very disappointed. He saw about 25% of the birds there were on Saturday. He heard only about 75 shots fired. And of course witnessed ridiculously high shots being fired.
Well on a positive note, maybe the marsh will suck in all the pressure and leave the other local areas vacant.:)
I do agree that if people don't start obeying the regulations, the anti's will have the fuel for the "I told you so" fire.

neckringer
12-11-2003, 01:52 PM
back off.
it was a god dang news paper article that was sent to me via
Jack Moller.
His concern was sierra opposing duck hunting there.

IF you think I threw your honey hole into the public. You are wrong. I did post the news paper article on here and this is what this website is for THE PROMOTION OF DUCK HUNTING.

and for you chet i will give up one of my spots.

put your boat in boat ramp west of miami canal on alligator alley.

run west about 6 miles till trail forks take the fork to the right.

runn approx 4miles till you come to large willow strand.
turn south on edge of willowstran till it turns into slough. follow west edge of slough till it bottle necks.
when the slough opens back up turn due west and run dry for about 3/4 mile into another slough. you will see a little reflector on a willow tree. just behind that is the best place to hide your boat.
get out of boat and wade to small island where you will find my bar stools.;)
approx travel time is 45 minutes runnin 30mph.

N. Cook
12-11-2003, 02:57 PM
Ringneck posted a news article.....I did the same on the UW-F group site.....repeat.....a news article! Any duckhunter reading the newspaper would have the same info. The info posted was the info in the article, no way to know the details. This was a rare victory for duck hunters.......any addtional hunting area is....and like any public spot subject to be abused at first...but these places often cool down with time as hunters move on to other areas....the more areas open, the less crowding. CHESTER.....LEARN HOW TO WIN!

uncle D
12-11-2003, 03:13 PM
I'm glad to see the forums active. FYI, the FWC has the new area posted on their site as well. As matter of fact, I was informed of this place by FWC.

It is up to us, (the hunters) to use and not abuse the area. With the help of good hunters, such as Chet and Neckringer, we need to impress upon the new comers proper manners and sportsmanship. We also need to frown down upon those slob hunters that will ruin it for all.

I challenge all to do this.

Duke

backcast
12-11-2003, 03:37 PM
Duck hunting is a passion of mine. And I am sure that it is a passion for all of those that browse this site. Why, when we are stressed in our daily activities of careers, families, kids, etc. do we need to argue. If there was only a mudpuddle left in Florida, I would try to hunt it and enjoy the company of anyone else who would like to join me. I'm going to enjoy whatever marsh, lake, river, etc that is open for me to venture. Let's go bust 'em!

Chester P Colet
12-11-2003, 04:16 PM
Thats it. I'm going back BY MY SELF onto the big water.

Thanks for the spot Ringer but I think I've allready been there!

:p

Keith, your spot stunk anyway. I was bored out of my mind shooting at flutter ducks.

Still don't know how you missed those mottleds that I had fluttering in your face.

As for the "learn how to win", Newton. You'll have to explain that to me sometime.

One more thing. It never ceases to amaze me that people in this day and age will see something out in the field and say "I wouldn't give that guy the time of day. And then go and post it on the internet. Not only telling that other person but all his inconsiderate friends.