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N. Cook
05-12-2006, 08:47 PM
The regulations for this year's program need to be ready for the June SFWMD Board Meeting to insure completion of the required time period after a passing vote prior to Early Teal. This allows a one month grace period to the July meeting in case of a problem. The number of permits per hunt and the hunt days for each STA also must be finalized so the soft ware can be prepared for the early Sept. call in for permits.

Dr. Jen Williams and Jerry Krenz are committed to making the deadlines. FWC Regional Director Chuck Collins is supportive of the program.

The basic parts of the program should be ready for presentation at the May 22 Recreation meeting by Jerry Krenz.

The FWC is very supportive of opening new opportunities, ie more STAs, for hunting. Jerry supports the expansion as well, but has to temper his preferences with the reality of what the STA managers and District staff will approve. The multiple issues at STA 2 are especially vexing. That is why I wanted to take a tour of STA 2 and see what we have to work with.

Here is what exists.

The first suprise is that about 60 percent ot the entire property is cattail monoculture and not huntable.

The other forty per cent is split about even between open water areas and great topped out hydrilla areas....(two cells are similar to the better STA 5 cell). There is not as much huntable area as on STA 5 altogether.

The eagle has become a non issue. The nest is in one of the cattail monoculture cells and is over 1000 feet from any huntable cell.

Access down the long (15 miles or so) gravel road from Rt. 880 includes a crossing of a pump station, a narrow strip on top of the structure not meant for public vehicles. It can be done, but requires extra care. (There really must be a plan to have access from SR 27 to make STA 2 properly accessable.)

The unfortunate news is that the two huntable cells and most of the open water cells are the fartherest to the south and west.....butt up against the major levee construction project. The only levee road for access to these cells (the east levee) lies behind at least a 100 yard width of thick cattails allowing the only water access to the area from the extreme north portion of that road at least a mile away from the area. A very long north south paddle.

There would also have to be a 1000 foot no hunting zone off the construction area (the north, west and south levees for the two best cells), taking about a third of the good hunting cells out.

Frankly, the huntable area is both difficult to reach by vehicle, and even more difficult by boat versus the size of area available. The area will be a much better hunt when access from Rt. 27 is available. You can see Rt. 27 just a short distance west.

Having seen the situation, I am excited about the prospects in future years when access is available from Rt. 27 and construction has moved away from the two very good cells and the two open water cells north of them. I believe our best efforts should be concentrated on obtaining a proper road and bridge from Rt. 27 to the western part of STA 2 asap as part of the contractors responsibility when finished with the current work. The construction will move farther west and a way for the public to come through that construction zone off of Rt. 27 and into STA 2 needs to be built now.

The second part of the tour was to do a good job of looking at STA 1W and determining what opportunities existed in the southern cells below those that will not be ready this year (the ones hunted in the past). Fortunately, there are several very good looking cells with access (and a lot of fulvous ducks and mottles). Two of the smaller cells, and good looking ones, are "test" cells and may be a problem, but at least two others seem to be candidates for hunting. I believe we could have STA 1 W open using these very good looking cells. There are even small boat ramps! Jerry will be checking these out for approval. Obviously, having STA 1W open will make any two day hunting need on a STA to maintain hunter numbers a mute point.

There is every intention to increase the number of pairs of hunters where possible. There is a proposal that to prevent two day hunting on STA 3/4 as done last year to compensate for STA 1 W, 50 pairs of hunters be allowed on STA 3/4 on one day. Again, if we can get the new cells at STA 1 W approved this will not be needed. We have asked for 40 pairs on STA 5 and STA 3/4 and 25 pairs on STA 1 W at past Recreation meetings.

Overall, it would seem we will have at least the same number of hunting spots next season, and probably a number more. STA 2 does not seem feasible for this year, but will be a hot spot in years to come. Adding new cells in STA 1 W this year will mean double the number of available cells the next year and up to 50 pairs of hunters, all on good hunting cells. Raising the number of pairs on STA 5 and 3/4 will add new opportunities this year.

There will be ample opportunity to discuss these points at the SFWMD meeting. We also will be working with the FWC on the regulations, including the replacement walkin wording, which are a topic for another day.

I also hope the trend to cattail monoculture cells will end.

darkwing duck
05-12-2006, 08:59 PM
Some of this is good news and the STA2 issue is BULL> WE want it open and will settle for NO LESS. Duck hunters will go to any meand necessary to hunt and we are not afraid to travel by foot or boat to reach our destination. WE must get STA 2 open...............

Steve W
05-13-2006, 07:08 AM
Good to see they got the eagle issue worked out.

novaalex
05-13-2006, 05:55 PM
Newton do I need to remind you about the first year at STA1 when you had to carry all of your stuff in. Sometimes I would walk 5 miles round trip plus rowing a thousand yards or so. I don't think I ever complained. We dont care how hard it is to hunt, we want the opportunity. I remember when I we took Sue Cocking and her cameraman out to STA1. She walked all the way with us and she didnt even complain about not having a bathroom. Dont let them talk you out of STA2 just because somebody who doesn't even hunt thinks it's going to be too hard. If there are ducks out there it is never too hard. THE REWORDING OF THE WALKIN/REPLACEMENT HUNTER, THAT SHOULD BE A HOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder who's editing in it?????????????

N. Cook
05-14-2006, 09:12 AM
The language of the regulations are developed by Dr. Jen Williams and she has already had input by both gate keepers as well as the comments made at the STA rehash meeting by all the groups. The specific reason for the need for the "encodement" of the practice is a knowledge that a single complaint at SFWMD could stop the practice, but once in a regulation it has to go all the way to Tallehassee to be changed. We will all have a chance to review the wording in advance.

To answer the question on difficulty of access by water....if that was the only problem, I would agree it could be overcome by some, but the parking spots for a minimum of 25 pairs would be jammed into a very short area. The District is not going to allow paths being cut through cattails because of mangers' complaints of what occurred last year on STA 1 W in the south cell. This leaves parking and access only on a portion of the north levee that has access to a open water portion of a cell, a similar distance, free from cattails, at the very north part on the east levee for these cells and no access from the south. The paddle would be well over a mile to the hydrilla portions. The entire western portion of the levee for these cells, two thirds of south and one third of the north levee surrounding these cells would be blocked off as they are used by heavy equpment, often on weekends according to the District as the project is due to be completed in January and historically meeting the deadline has caused 7 day weeks.

This plus the minimum 1000 feet mark off of the west, and most of the north and south levee construction zones, leaves only a narrow strip of hunting area in the two good cells. Simply not enough hunting room for the enterprise to be successful.

It is unfortunate these good cells are on the very west side of STA 2 directly adjacent to the construction. If a good hunting area situation existed in the central or eastern cells I believe STA 2 would be opened with little or no objection....the problem this time is not the District or FWC, it is just the fact that most of STA 2 is a cattail monoculture.

novaalex
05-14-2006, 09:47 AM
Newton I applaud you for that very succint and precise description of something that none of us were privy to see. I'll take your word for it. I also notice a different tone when you write about the twice a week hunting. It seems that something or someone has gotten to you. I know that you are totally against reducing the amount of permits, I don't feel as strongly about that, I prefer to be against the reduction of quality. By allowing more pairs in on the single day we will all be happy. Once again I thank you for your efforts and I pledge my support if you need it but the truth of the matter is you rarely call. Stop doing it all alone and allow us to help you I don't want you getting stressed out and having a reocurrence of what happened last year!!!

darkwing duck
05-14-2006, 09:12 PM
I still want to fight to get 2 open no matter what This is a good explaination BUT access is ACCESS and that is what is needed...........

N. Cook
05-15-2006, 08:28 AM
The better fight is for a road from ST Rt. 27 to the western levee of what is now STA 2....there will be construction of the new western cells and Reservior for several years....The road will be needed sooner or later, and, in fact, exists now as a "construction access". If we could get the use of this road we could probably get hunting on those good cells as soon as the construction moved 1000 feet west of where it is now without the long 20 plus mile drive down mostly gravel roads from 880.

godvlman
05-15-2006, 09:00 AM
Newton,

Was there any talk about opening the western cells of STA 3/4 that were closed last year??? Maybe that issue should be brought up as well??

N. Cook
05-15-2006, 10:19 AM
No specific talk on any other STA....cells are opened and closed at the whim of the STA managers. Jerry has to ask each year for specific cells for hunting. We try to select cells with hydrilla, other submergent growth and open water areas interspersed with cattail or other emergent cover. Cattail monoculture cells are no good for hunting and the managers usually balk at opening cells in the "vegetating" stages. Then, the hunting cells have to be in a group surrounded by levees that the public is allowed on and with "off the road" parking areas and a simple drive pattern for the vehicles from the check station to follow.

Randy Clark
05-15-2006, 02:01 PM
after dealing with the sjrmd staff i can understand the frusrtation of trying to get what we want which really comes down to what they give us whether we think fighting for or arguing for works or not:it doesnt really matter. More people showing up to meetings probably would be the biggest thing in our favor no matter which entity you are dealing with.When it comes down to it with the construction in that area they dont need anyother reason to keep us off.Thanks for all the work Newton.I have to say that i for one have to keep agreeing with alex on one day per week hunting keeping it at its best instead of a diluted hunt. Allowing walkons as we have makes it even more spectacular and still keeps the numbers of people allowed on high.Last years check station data shows for 10 days of hunting they allowed 1592 hunters on this is including the youth hunt day where only 4 hunters hunted that afternoon 60 kids hunted that day. that means that 900 hunters would have hunted the remaining days without the walkon ability which allowed another 632 hunters to get on this property. thats an average of 35 hunters walking on per hunt if i did the math right 9 days 2hunts per day.Lets keep it a hunt of a lifetime and worthwhile for the walkons to wait in line i have and will continue to drive 500 miles round trip to hunt there for that kind of hunt.

novaalex
05-15-2006, 06:22 PM
Newton,
I have had some calls lately asking me whether Newton Cook is the man running the show at the STA's. 99% of me wants to laugh because as involved as you are we both know that many things are far from "our" control. In case you have not noticed many people who grew up in N.FL are moving south for some insane reason. With this move there is a greater interest in the phenomenon of the STA's. I would appreciate if you, as President of UW-F, would reiterate how any member can single handedly affect public policy. Many of our members are content with sending in their fees but have no clue what is going on! **** DuckmanJr doesn't have a clue(just kidding Joe). I think it is about time that everyone knows that nothing is stopping them from attending meetings and speaking on behalf of duckhunters in Florida. Just remember to thank the agencies for what we have before asking for more. BTW the Eric Kimmel angle is quite interesting. I'll make sure to follow up with him!!!!

N. Cook
05-15-2006, 07:37 PM
Every Region of the state has its issues.....and every UW-F member has the right to go to the meetings, develop the relationships with staff of the agencies and speak for UW-F. The only instructions are to: Look on the back of the business cards you get as a UW-F member and follow those guidelines in your comments and positions.....and remember the Mantra: ....UW-F is a strong advocate for positions, but NEVER an adversary.

The fact that central and south Florida is the location of the greatest man made marsh project in the history of the world, the area naturally seems to dominate our work....but there are a lot of things to be done all over the state and we NEED members to get involved. The 2006 UW-F Project List is important and has items in every Region. You will have support!

UW-F does have a lot of influence on the STA programs....we have earned it with over four years of hard work, hundreds of hours in meetings and careful development of contacts in the agencies involved. We also have a reputation of working to reach consensus positions with the many varied "interested parties" so we are often asked to participate in workshops on specific difficult subjects. When the firebrands start throwing spears, UW-F is asked for comments on how to calm the waters, giving us tremendous influence on the outcomes. All this not because on any one person's efforts, but a number of members who have been dedicated to the mission.

duckmanJR
05-15-2006, 10:07 PM
Alex, I would be more than happy to just "send in my fee" but then I would just have to make out a deposit slip and then forward the application to Steve for processing and then check to see that the deposit was correctand that the checkbook is balanced...:booty:

Going to SJWMD meetings was more fun than banking....:)

darkwing duck
05-16-2006, 06:36 AM
I am soory to say that the FIGHT to open STA 2 MUST GO ON. After looking at an AERIAL VIEW of the area there is more areas open to hunt than NEWTON saw from the levee. The area looks very promising and if we must portage or row for hours I FOR ONE WILL DO IT> Lets not give up or give in just at it sounds like newton is doing. I AM NOT CONVINCED AT ALL THAT THIS IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST.....:coffee:

DuckManDan
05-16-2006, 11:26 AM
I must agree.....If there is good duck hunting and i have to tavel through cattails I for one will do it and not complain at all.....I have seen the aerial photos and there is ALOT!!!! of open area....I do support Newton for wanting to fight for the access road from 27.....27 is alot closer to STA 2 and will save alot of time rather going up to 827 and heading south...Honestly though....I am going to wine or cry or be heart broken if STA 2 gets put off for another year

There are plenty of places to do some good duck hunting and if worst comes to worst I will be camping out at one of the STA's a weekend I dont have a permit

novaalex
05-16-2006, 11:33 AM
I new I'd get a rise out of the Treasurer! All I can say is keep fighting and let your voices be heard at meetings and by the people in charge. This website, although public, is not the ultimate vehicle for your opinions. The ears and mailboxes of those in charge are where your opinions shouldbe going. If you have something as Dennis points out that may have been overlooked, then go ahead and share it. Bring it to the attention of the decisionmakers. Different objectives and viewpoints will only help us grow as an organization and as sportsmen/women!!!!

N. Cook
05-16-2006, 02:34 PM
The STAs are "different"...I get tired of that like everyone else, but the comment on going through the cattails to get to a hunting area is a good example of "different".

The most serious complaint from a STA manager last season, and one that jeapordizes some cells there from being opened, was "some of the hunters were making trails through the cattails" trying to reach an open area. The "trails" change the direction of the sheet flow though the cell and are a real NO NO!

The close observation of hunting impact on the mission of the STAs is why we stress the need to tread lightly on the STAs leaving little or no evidence of any hunting activity.

novaalex
05-16-2006, 05:52 PM
Newton I would like this thread locked and moved to the members forum. I will start a new thread entitled STA2!

David B
05-16-2006, 06:43 PM
Concur.

Please lock it and move it.

N. Cook
05-17-2006, 10:10 AM
I believe we members can conduct a string on the Members Only Forum on topics that may be better done there....but this string is ok for general info and our Visitors' comments and posts.

To our welcome Visitors:.....Want to see some great action? Join UW-F and get in the fray on the Members Forum!!!